Fantastic conversation between Peter Saville, the graphic designer for Factory Records (made infamous by the classic film 24 Hour Party People) and Tony Wilson, the founder. For aspiring designers, this is a gem. Saville approached Wilson while still in college and talked him into letting him design for the fledging Factory organization. For art college students, this goes along with everything we preach. If you want to "go pro", then get out there and find your targets. Your talent will grow and evolve, but without ambition and street smarts, you can forget having a long career getting paid to be artistic. It probably won't happen.